List of 78+ Officially CONFIRMED Missing/Downgraded BASE features of the Sims 4

I think it is great to have it on the list but add so that people know if the feature is downgraded as you say or just missing altogether.

No, I was talking about Stewie from family guy. The little baby that keeps plotting to kill his mommy.

Oh , that's where the name sounded familiar....

On an off note , Family Guy has to be the most screwed up cartoon ever.

Yeah , he accuses everyone he hates of being Innuendo 21. Troll war.

burntcheese just informed me that Stewie is the psychotic baby from Family Guy.
I was thinking of Phil , actually, which I know makes absolutely no sense.

I'm not angry in the slightest. Not sure where you get that from. You're not required to defend anything to anybody. I also, again, don't care what you keep in the post, something I stated pretty clearly in my response to you which you apparently missed. I don't think you're required to make anybody happy with your list but you. Personally, I'm not unhappy about your list at all. The only comments I've made recently, even tonight, have been to point out the lack of neutrality in a list claiming to be mostly educational (technically, in two lists). You can take it however you like but you really aren't required to make me "happy" by making things neutral. I would love it if we could have a neutral list of what's in and what's out but I hold no illusions that something like that is possible for a bunch of people who are rather passionate about their game. However, if you post comments about how you're mostly doing this to education people and don't have a negative agenda, then it's likely I'll feel the urge to call you on it. Then again, maybe I won't because I'm also tired of going in circles with you.

Oh, you ninja'd me with a second comment. In this case, I have to say that's the pot calling the kettle black.

What I don't understand, and I see this more with others than myself, is when people accuse others of having a negative agenda. What do you think is our agenda? I mean I know Joe thinks I'm the CEO of Rockstar, but other than working for a competitor, what would I gain by sharing my negative opinion about the game?

That said, you can educate people and have negative or positive attitudes. It doesn't mean in the end your intention is any more or less to educate them.

I didn't do that after the fact, you replied WHILE I was making the edits. I had already made that change by the time I saw your reply.

Wow, that's a lot of nos. I don't think I've even heard that word that many time ever! (Oh the irony)

Granted I'm not Graham but from the context of the question and his answer it doesn't sound like he's actually talking about any real list. He was asked to explain why people should play The Sims 4 and he's basically saying hey, if I rattled off a list of reasons for why you should buy Sims 4 it's bound to eventually turn into a debate about what's different between Sims 4 and previous games and that's why he basically doesn't give a straight forward answer to the question.

You're just assuming that because he used the word "list" that he was talking about an actual list :/

Again I read that interview and the quote in your post and I never put the idea together that he was specifically talking about your thread or any thread for that matter. This is not meant as any sort of put down, just the impression I got from reading the question and answer.

There are two posts on the front page of that forum with over 100k views and 2 other threads with 30k+ views. Graham, or any other Guru for that matter, simply doesn't have the time to be informed of every thread pertaining to the Sims 4. I'm sure he's been made well aware of people's dissatisfaction that certain features were cut but the idea that he specifically keeps up with a thread because it has reached a certain number of viewed seems far fetched.

You're NOT the CEO of Rockstar? (Because I'm sure he has nothing better to do than troll other game forums.)

Seriously, I can only answer for myself, of course. It's not that someone has a negative opinion of the game, it's HOW they express. For the record, I've seen some people with positive views of the game expressing things in a way that is just as aggravating to me, but you're asking about the negatives, so that's what I'm responding to. For me, it applies to both.

I can't explain anyone's agenda. I'm not a psychic or a psychologist. I can only guess that for some people they're so disappointed that they are venting their anger on anyone in their path. For others, they seem to be actively trying to discourage anyone they can from liking the game. You and a few other people have admitted to wanting to teach EA lesson by convincing everyone to not buy the game. They take a big enough loss on the game and that will wake them up. Then they'll either try again by "fixing" things in TS5, shut the franchise down completely or perhaps sell it off to someone else (frequently, Bethesda and Rockstar are mentioned to hopefully purchase the rights). My guess, with you, is of course that you'd like to convince every person you can to not purchase the game so it fails dismally and EA has to pay attention.

I will post what I posted to someone else with that concept in mind. Unfortunately for some, EA hasn't reached that point with TS4 yet or there wouldn't be as many people excited about it as there are. Fortunately for the rest of us, we can sympathize with your disappointment but we aren't required to support your opinion on the matter or even try to help you accomplish your goal of "teaching EA a lesson."

That said, yes people can be educated using both positive and negative attitudes but both will get in the way of the education, ultimately. While positive and negative attitudes don't change your intention to educate, they do have an impact on the person being educated, for positive or negative. Which places both your lists in a position of having an alternate agenda--to influence people's opinions based on your additional comments. Which is why I was harping on the neutrality thing a bit (or, perhaps, more than a bit).

No worries. I really wasn't trying to imply anything. Just responding to your comment.

You don't have to gain anything to have an agenda.

For what it's worth I do think you initially created the list just to be helpful. I read the first few pages of posts and it seems for the most part you simply just asked a question to try and condense all of the information into a single thread. At some point though it seemed you started to take things personally and started becoming agitated at people who were questioning some items on the list. Then after a while the whole thing seemed to have gone to your head. You are now listing other forums that have mentioned your list (which I couldn't help but notice a lot of them were started by the same person ), listing quotes from a Guru as if you and he are personally having a conversation and refusing to budge on certain items that are clearly misleading.

That's not actually right. I am assuming he saw the list as he has replied multiple times on the message board where I posted it including my own threads. He clearly is reading the forums and aware of what is going on there.

That's actually not the important number. That shows you total views, not unique views. Yesterday the list had approximately 45,000 unique views it was entirely traffic from reddit.

Thank you, I've been trying to say that to a few others here for sometime now

Actually, I wasn't aware of any of this coverage until they were pointed out on the thread. Read the last post on the last page where a fellow simmer mentions the forums. A few pages back you will find the mention of Honeywell's blog. The only one I am responsible for is getting it on reddit (which I did with the most generic alias I could think of "PCSimmer")

And I am telling you, Graham has been in discussions on The Sims 4 thread and he has mentioned he is aware of the discussions elsewhere. I'm 99.9% sure he has seen the thread. He might not have been thinking of my exact list at that moment, but it was list like mine that he was referring to, I am certain.

For what it's worth I don't understand how I'm not being neutral. I think I've been pretty good with trying to be as honest as possible with the list I maintain.

I was making excuses for my snarky comment and to what people my snarky comment was directed towards

Even if he is aware of your list it still doesn't mean he was specifically talking about your list in that quote.

Even assuming it was unique views (which by the way, it doesn't) it still doesn't change the fact that he isn't going to be made aware of a thread just because it received a certain number of views a day. I really think you are expecting too much out of Graham. He's just a man who makes video games. He keeps up with Twitter, Facebook, he might squeeze in an hour or two of actual work here and there too, I'm sure he has hobbies outside of gaming and programming. The idea that he's following every thread because it received X number of total views or X number of unique views in a day is a bit much, especially considering how many of dozens and dozens of forums there are out there that pertain to Sims 4.

Nope, sorry.

While I would absolutely be thrilled if that happen, I have enough common sense to know I can't make that kind of impact. I present the list with the intention that they can make their own decision. Yes, I do obviously want them to stand up and vote with their wallet, but I also know I can't ask them to do so.

For the sequel in the best selling PC franchise these numbers aren't nearly enough and EA knows it.

I don't find it very sympathetic when posters reply that my list is garbage and pointless because those features aren't important to them.

Honestly, you are more pro than neutral. But thats ok

Just FYI, I had made a previous edit to my comment before you posted this reply clarifying the comment about Graham, so I don't want you think I "ninja'd" you or anything

I don't think he is following every thread. I do think he is following that one. The Guru's do this all the time on the forums, I am not sure how you are so unaware that this happens.

If Graham was talking about you, he would've replied in the thread. He doesn't have time to read every thread and reply to every person but if he has a problem with a thread he will address it in the thread. If you have a problem with him, you need to take it up with him on Twitter.