Some thoughts on "Removed"

I went into the TS3 boards to try and bring a few more good people this way... /sigh. I just can't stand it there anymore. I don't see it changing any time soon either.

Anyway, all the posts and petitions and anger over "Removed" got me thinking. Nothing was really removed. Yes, I know that things had been confirmed to be in the game but now we hear they aren't in the base game. And yes, there are things from the previous sims games that won't be in the Sims 4. But does that really mean they were removed?

There were things that were in the original Sims game that didn't make it into TS2 and things from TS2 that didn't get put into TS3. Where those things "removed" from the games? To me, it's more like they weren't included, not removed. CASt was never meant to be a part of TS4 so it wasn't removed. I will give you toddlers lol, but I do think they will be added at a later time as will pools.

Sorry, I really need to avoid those forums cause they give me such a headache LOL. I'd post this there, but even the thread I posted inviting people here just got trolled and replaced by the many threads of negativity and attack.

Don't get me wrong, I don't blame anyone for their feelings! I agree that they aren't showing enough of the game, mostly CAS and renders that aren't realistic in terms of the game (as in you can't really sit on the arms of couches and such). I just think they are using the term Removed in the wrong way. It's a small complaint really.

As for petitions, I am ok with them, but not several threads to petition the same thing and a whole page full of them. I'm also fine with people expressing their upset, but they aren't just doing that. They are calling names and attacking. Any positive thread over there is assaulted with gifs and loads of negative attacks. Maybe I'm just too old LOL. I think the people who are unhappy and, at least by there posts, aren't buying the game refuse to let anyone positive or happy on the boards.

Yes, I do agree that here is a great place! We can disagree, but we don't attack!

Well, you definitely managed to get me over here. I originally went to the official forums in the hope of finding out more information but I can't stand the vitriol anymore. I mean, being upset about content they want not being included is fine but the conduct definitely leaves much to be desired.

I love it on this forum, so much calmer than the official forums... I am almost tempted to put some people in their place across there, but then I'd just be doing the same thing as the people I would be angry with.

I do agree with the OP when stating about the "Removed" items threads its ridiculous. Too much negativity there for me.

I never felt comfortable over there being new and all this forum has been great since I started. I really like the ppl so far and yes its ok to have your complaints but it's not ok to be mean to others for their opinions. I too am too old for that LOL.

I'm very glad if I helped bring some good people this way!

This is definitely a much better place!

This forum is slow but I do like it better over here. I get labeled a troll because I don't go with the thought process of the popular people over there. People on the official forum are just looking for reasons to not like the game instead of looking at the game as a new base game. Any little bit of news, even if it is something positive, turns into a fight over there. It seems as though the same people who were bashing The Sims 3 for four years are now the same people bashing The Sims 4. Some people will never be happy.

What people tend to forget is that The Sims 4 is a base game. Stuff can be added later. Toddlers in The Sims 3 base game didn't have too many interactions on release, they were just there. They started getting a few more interactions as we got EPs and store content but they were vastly underdeveloped. I would rather pay more for fully developed toddlers than have them given to me like they were in The Sims 3.

About pools, in The Sims 2 and 3 base games we had the ability to build pools but we did not have a lot of interactions. In The Sims 3, to get new pools interactions, hot tubs, diving boards, pool lounges, wave machine, ocean swimming, and pool slides we had to pay money, wait for free patches, or buy expansion packs. I hope this time around EA is giving us a single pack dedicated to pool features rather than spreading the features out. For me, it would be cheaper this way and I would get more content.

I could never get into the TS3 forums myself, honestly it was awful before the whole TS4 stuff and will always be a horrible place, the TS4 forums are better and this place is like a haven!

Anyway I agree with you completely, it baffles me how people continue to say things are being removed from TS3, since when do they ever include everything from the previous games + EP's in the next games base game? The name is a clue here BASE game, it's a base to be built upon. I don't understand the negative peoples point of view at all, they'd rather have crappy weather that does nothing then having it's own EP to be amazing like TS3 or TS2, same with university, pets, business etc. To me it makes no sense.

Even the toddler and pool thing baffles me. You can clearly tell that toddlers were rushed/ignored in TS3, they had no clothes, no hair, no real features beside learning things which is mundane and time consuming. I'd much rather then focus on the base game and then work on the toddlers separately and add them into the game via a patch as then they will be 100% complete where as if they were included in the base game now they wouldn't be very good as as they've said they didn't have enough time to fully complete them. Also as they're not included in the base game and they know people are angry I'm hoping toddlers will be quite special to make up for it Same with pools.

As far as pools go, I would rather have the options below in one pack than it broken down into several packs like it was for The Sims 2 and 3:

Swimming Pools & Hot Tubs:
Slides, diving boards, beach balls, and water volleyball help you create an exciting pool experience for your Sims. Custom hot tubs range from a cozy tub for two, to an eight Sim party tub with a pool bar!

Splashdown Water Park:
Three unique waterslides and pool games, like water volleyball, create an aquatic wonderland that is fun for all ages.

Holy poop, I just thought because obviously TS4 has neighborhoods which you can travel between and can contain large parks, they should make a expansion pack with a water park, have a world that's contains like 3 or 4 different themed sections, I'd pay good money for that! and it would make up for pools not being in base game!

I fully agree, especially on the toddler front. I would rather wait or pay more for a fully developed feature than have them half-finished and rushed out like in TS3. I remember being so baffled in TS3 since, if I recall correctly, toddlers couldn't interact with each other. They had interactions with pets, older kids, and adults but not with other toddlers. Needless to say it helped turn the rare occasion where my sim had twins or triplets into both a nuisance and a chore. However, I could be wrong. I haven't played the Sims 3 in a while because my computer is increasingly unable to handle it. Thank goodness I'm getting a new PC soon.

I don't like the sims 3 forums either. There is too much arguing over the same thing and if you have a different opinion, you are really out of place.

A lot of stuff gets removed with different stuff added in each base game for various reasons. I get that is just the base game and they aren't going to put everything in it (though hearing about wedding stuff, bars, instruments, etc....it does seem like it will have a lot more than Sims 3).

This may not be a popular opinion, but I agree with them not adding toddlers in right away if they were only going to be done halfheartedly due to time and lacking like the ones in Sims 3 or worse. I usually age them up fast. If they actually add more for parents and older siblings to do with toddlers, I really don't mind having to wait. I care about how each sim is different-their personality, etc....I am honest confused about this though as early on they confirmed that all life stages would be in it and later said no toddlers. Too much back and forth and rather just wait until it comes out to really see what the game will be like. I wouldn't mind another Generations pack, but with more stuff for all ages.

As for pools. I also don't might waiting until we get a much cool stuff to go with them. I agree that it is better to get everything related to pools in one expansion for example.

I am honestly not upset about not having CASt or SP. The game lagged too much and had to set in on lower quality to get it to be more stable without constant crashing, so I really didn't spend much time decorating every single thing. I really didn't care or use most of the patterns and I hardly noticed different textures, etc...the only thing useful was the color wheel. As for SP, I used mods to replace it anyways and switch to different households quite a bit already

I have sad news for you, toddlers still can't interact with each other unless you get the items from the store. I think I am one of the few people who would like more fully developed features in the base game instead of features that feel rushed like in The Sims 3. I think the Gurus are taking more time to make The Sims 4 feel more complete even though it may be "missing" a few things people want.

It is obvious they took their time with the development of the game with the CAS demo. Although it is just a demo and the Sims have more of a cartoon look to them, my Sims feel so alive. Their expressions when I am making them and the way they look like actual people was creeping me out at first. I wasn't expecting that from CAS.

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That's definitely sad to hear and really does cement my preference that I would prefer that features, especially something major like toddlers, be fully developed even if it means we get them at a later time.

Also, thank you for the suggestion. I do have my eye on a computer from Best Buy that's cheap but seems like it has some good gaming capabilities, especially since I'm going to be pulling a "Dr. Frankenstein" by moving my video card and power supply over to the new one. However, if I can find something on that site that's cheaper than what I have my eye on right now but similar in capabilities, then it will definitely be a great help.

No problem. If you just want to go ahead and build a new computer while using the components you already have, I would suggest pricewatch.com. I found out about these websites on the forum.

This is what annoys me the most because no one is forcing them to buy this game. If they know they know they won't be satisfied with the Sims 4, the could just not buy it and keep playing with the Sims 3, they don't need to complain and "destroy" other people'S excitment

I say live and let live no one is going to take my excitement away. I have to see for myself if I like something or not never really listen to others about stuff like this because I love the Sims 3 and others do not oh well. Have a great weekend everyone

They just like to be unhappy. There are a lot of people out there like this.